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| perkelate |
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:49 am |
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I'd welcome and feedback, critique, or discussion on this bit of writing pulled from a chapter of my dissertation.
My main goal in posting this here is not to gather more material for the dissertation but to improve the writing and argument of this piece. I also wanted just to make sure that BAAU members who don't follow me on dA (I don't blame you!) have a chance to see it. It's not lineart, inks, or colors, but I felt that it was important to post here anyways.
(Note that it would be nice to be able to quote any such feedback if I feel it impacts the chapter, though often I paraphrase rather than quote. I would default to doing so 'anonymously,' though anyone searching the web might be able to find it if its posted here. Please let me know if you'd prefer it if I didn't quote you.)
The Art of Theft: Creativity and Property on deviantART |
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| lifepoint1 |
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:07 pm |
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I really enjoyed it. It was a really smooth and easy read, while also being thoughtful, informative, and eye-opening.
The only part that I thought was weak were the last few sentences.
"But as I am discovering in my research, deviantART is constituted by a variety of people, with different aspirational trajectories, engaged in multiple practices, supported by different spheres of social activity. Thus, notions of material property in seemingly immaterial work are both diverse and conflicted. "
I actually think this portion is a bit redundant, generalized, and unnecessary. I think you already note on how diverse and conflicted opinions are on DA throughout the piece, and do not need to end with a reminder. Also I'd say the same words could be applied to other social networks and practices. As I see it kind of takes away the impact of the sentence before it.
"Wrestling with the boundaries between legitimate uses and theft then helps constitute what it means to have one's sense of self closely linked to creative practice."
To me is a much more interesting, relevant, and thoughtful statement, and serves as a stronger ending to the piece.
I like the idea that how you define art theft itself can somewhat define your artistic identity, and it is a good notion to leave on.
That's just my own opinion.
Otherwise, I thought everything was very eloquently done.
On a side note, I notice you stay away from mentioning fan art and how it constitutes to theft, in the piece. It would definitely complicate the discussion, and I wonder if this was done consciously. |
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| Tofubeast |
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:54 pm |
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| I mostly stated what my thought was on the subject back on DA, but it shed some interesting light on one faucet of the massive elephant in the room that is the art theft problem. |
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| perkelate |
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:11 am |
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lifepoint1 wrote:
The only part that I thought was weak were the last few sentences.
"But as I am discovering in my research, deviantART is constituted by a variety of people, with different aspirational trajectories, engaged in multiple practices, supported by different spheres of social activity. Thus, notions of material property in seemingly immaterial work are both diverse and conflicted. "
I actually think this portion is a bit redundant, generalized, and unnecessary. I think you already note on how diverse and conflicted opinions are on DA throughout the piece, and do not need to end with a reminder. Also I'd say the same words could be applied to other social networks and practices. As I see it kind of takes away the impact of the sentence before it.
Thanks. That's really helpful. I'll revisit this when I slot the pieces from this bit back into the overall chapter and try to avoid redundancy.
Now that I think about it something struck me as funny: academic writing prides itself on redundancy sometimes because we know how few people actually read this stuff and how few people actually read the whole thing. So, we're always advised to tell people what we're going to say, say it, then re-tell them what we just said so that we account for skimming and reading out of order. So poor writing and small audiences may breed worse writing! Maybe?
lifepoint1 wrote:
"Wrestling with the boundaries between legitimate uses and theft then helps constitute what it means to have one's sense of self closely linked to creative practice."
To me is a much more interesting, relevant, and thoughtful statement, and serves as a stronger ending to the piece.
I like the idea that how you define art theft itself can somewhat define your artistic identity, and it is a good notion to leave on.
Thanks for the pointing out what specifically works for you.
lifepoint1 wrote:
On a side note, I notice you stay away from mentioning fan art and how it constitutes to theft, in the piece. It would definitely complicate the discussion, and I wonder if this was done consciously.
I have gone back and forth as to where and how to address fan art. I think in the chapter I actually do talk about (need to go back and see exactly how and where). I've definitely thought about it a lot and have written about it in various pieces for myself, because of how important fan art has been to the discussions not just on deviantART but in the Artist Alleys as well. In this bit of writing, I was trying to abstract away from the details of specific practices (though I do get into stock photography. Hmm...).
Fan art is really interesting on so many different levels for me. For another discussion! |
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